Warranted superior saw dating
Toggle navigation Swingley Development. Looking closely at this saw, it turns out that the generic "Warranted Superior" raised brass medallion on the handle is marked with a patent date! I don't remember ever seeing a date on a WS medallion but then my memory is a chancey thing. At any rate, the very clear date is December 31, Washbourne - Saw Bolt. But there is no info about the assignation of the patent or of a manufacturer of it.
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Remember Me? What's New? Page 1 of 2 1 2 Last Jump to page: Results 1 to 15 of Warrented Superior. It looks like the Warrented Superior goes really cheap on Ebay and there must be a reason for that. What are the oppinions about them? Google Sponsor Google Sponsor. Join Date May Posts 2, I have a couple that work really well. Get them sharp, and the wood won't care what stamp is on the saw. The Warranted Superior "lines" were used in the US to mark a company's secondary line of saws.
In the UK, the WS was a top of the line brand thing. Just a way for companies like Disston to sell more saws. For saws from the late 19th century up to the s, when the metallurgy was pretty much perfected, the stated quality of saws had as much to do with polishing of the steel and the quality of the handle as much as anything. They sold a lot of theses cheaper saws, and I suppose a lot of cheap professionals relied on them.
I've used some ugly Disston products from the s, with their downmarket labeling, and they were decent enough users, although the handles needed modifying for comfort. Join Date Jul Posts 5, I did some googling on that "warranted " term couple years back. It preceded modern guarantee and is a little different ,it was done at demand of expanding middle class complaining about shoddy products.
I see the "superior " as just a little extra gloss. Warranted Superior is also known as the Kiss of Death. Originally Posted by Lasse Hilbrandt. I have four or five of the warranted superior saws. From my limited sample, I have concluded that in the U. Whirlpool for example made my "Kenmore" washer and dryer, and Sears simply paid them to put the Kenmore brand on it.
The same thing used to happen with hand tools. Some of the warranted superior saws I have are etched on the plate for the particular hardware store, where you would ordinarily expect to see the etch for Disston, Atkins, etc. Quality does vary on the ones I have. Some are taper ground for example. Buying anything on eBay is a bit of a gamble, and a dog meat Disston is still dog meat.
If you can get the warranted superiors for a much lower price it might make it easier to swallow a "miss" if you are not sure if what you are looking at is a decent saw or not. Join Date Feb Posts I agree with what has been said. My take on WS user saws is that if I like the hang of the handle, I'm probably going to like using the saw. A taper ground saw does feel more responsive in use, but the slight extra weight of a parallel plate seems to help me stabilize my strokes.
That said, I only buy saws I can inspect yard sales, flea markets, group second-hand shops and I only buy Disston or some nice WS that has a good hang and a nice etch. Even the low priced eBay saws end up costing way more than I am willing to pay when the shipping is considered. Originally Posted by Jim Davis. Lots of good information in the threads above. Leading US all manufacturers like Disston and Atkins all offered product lines intended for the equivalent of the professional and homeowner markets.
I hasten to add that even these secondary lines are far better than any full-size handsaw's being manufactured today. The only difference in the saws is that the etch was for the retailer and the medallions - labeled "Warranted Superior". For example picture below is a Disston 12 on top their top-of-the-line pre model, widely considered to be one of the best ever made and a Lakeside Hardware L below.
The totes are identical hand shaped, carved totes are often indicative of premium models from many manufacturers and the specs for the double taper grinding of the saw plate are the same. Both saws were manufactured by Disston. The Lakeside has their etch on the plate and the warranted superior medallion. Both are fantastic users that get regular use in my shop.
Don't get me wrong, I have a "bad saw problem", don't own a table saw and think quality, well tuned handsaw's are among the most frequently used and invaluable tools in my shop. That said,IMHO there is a fair amount of "black magic" attributed to premium vintage saws highly sought after by collectors. Nothing reveals the quality of a saw plate like how it responds to a file, how long the teeth hold a sharp edge and most importantly how it cuts.
My advice is to start by getting a good saw tuned by somebody who knows what their doing as a reference of what you're shooting for, and then learn to sharpen. It's not as hard as it looks however start with a saw you don't mind fouling up a little and the rewards are worth the learning curve. All the best, Mike. Originally Posted by Mike Allen Don't be intimidated. The geometry on a rip tooth is very difficult to screw up too badly. Get a decent file, hold it level, at a 90 to the plate, and rotate it to match the geometry on the saw.
Do every tooth the same and try to keep them all the same height. Nothing like the every other business at a compound angle that always seems to result in me losing track of where I am on cross-cut teeth. A properly sized saw bench makes a significant difference as well. Sponsored Forums Private Forums Authors. All times are GMT The time now is 3: All rights reserved.
We can date pre-Hamilton Disston saws to a year period (marked "H. Disston" , It has a different medallion with an eagle, but it reads "Warranted Superior". Feb 11, dating Disston hand saw medallions and a timeline of the Saw Talk # Warranted Superior Medallions - by Brit @ holisticyogasangha.com ~.
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This article was first published in , and revised countless times through Some of it should be considered flawed interpretation of data, reflecting what was the best that could be done at the time. For the most accurate timeline of Disston saw medallions, consult the second edition of this article.
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The medallions on Disston handsaws changed more over time than any other feature on the saw. By using the medallion, you can estimate the age of your saw. The Medallions and Timeline of Saw Manufacture The medallions on Disston saws give the most accurate indication of manufacturing dates for handsaws, panel saws, and backsaws. The first complete timeline of Disston handsaws was written by Pete Taran and published in the Winter issue of the Fine Tool Journal. His article assigned manufacturing dates to Disston saws, based on the medallions, creating what is called a type study.
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Page 1 2 3 4 newer. This old framing hammer is in need of a new handle. I like doing things the traditional way, and I just think it looks neater. The octagon shape probably also helps keep the handle from turning in your hand. Here is a small handle my granddad made many years ago. A spokeshave is a good tool to begin cutting the corners to form an octagon. I follow that up with rasps. A file removes the marks left by the rasps, and a good sharp scraper removes the smaller marks left by the file. Finally, sandpaper finishes the job. Here we go slowly, removing just a little more material each time we insert the handle partially into the eye, and each time it goes a little further until it is completely in.
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Bob, I've always wondered how to get the domed saw handle screws out. I guess some have a square shank in a square hole before the threads and that keeps them form spinning. But I've seen some that were just round and I thought it was just plain dumb! At least now I have something to try. Thanks for that. Hi Matt, yes, some are supposed to prevent rotation by having a square shanks in a square hole, but it does not always resist turning, and it did not take long before the holes were drilled round, and the medallions have some small ribs that are supposed to bite in It works As soon as I encounter resistance from turning i stop and back the dome by a clamp to secure it fast. Sometimes one clamp is enough, sometimes not, depends a lot on its location. Glad I could be of some help Bob. I feel you pain. Do you place a piece of rubber between the scrap blog and the medaillon to prevent rotation?
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